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mccain, graham and ayotte all said they would block any effort to advance rice if she is nominated. i'm ed payne, reporting. >> later this week rice will meet with acting cia director mike morrell as well as senator susan collins of maine the top republican on the homeland security committee. >>> more republicans say the looming "fiscal cliff" is forcing them to reconsider their no tax pledges. some are now open to changes. dick durbin plans to lay out a proposal for a bipartisan group deemed the gang of 8. they have been working on a plan to reduce debt. if the lawmakers don't pass a plan by the end of the december tax hikes and budget cuts kick in. >>> a cyber monday tradition for federal officials took dozens of websites offline. it was the third annual crackdown on websites selling counterfeit merchandise. the sites were shut done after copyright holders that sports, dvds and other goods investigators bought on the websites were fake. the sites now display a banner that explains what happened. >>> robbers in san francisco are stealing iphones at an alarming rate. now, some peopl
mccain, graham and ayotte all said they would block any effort to advance rice if she is nominated. i'm ed payne, reporting. >> later this week rice will meet with acting cia director mike morrell as well as senator susan collins of maine the top republican on the homeland security committee. >>> more republicans say the looming "fiscal cliff" is forcing them to reconsider their no tax pledges. some are now open to changes. dick durbin plans to lay out a proposal for a...
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over the week, i watched lindsey graham on the sunday show. and when he compared this to iran contra which was crimes, felonies, as opposed to susan rice who has said she was given bad information she repeated it and, you know, it's -- and to compare these two, it's just really bizarre. >> joe, were there two different lanes being run here? one to maybe discredit susan rice and any potential nomination she might receive to the president's cabinet to replace secretary of state hillary clinton? but then also to make this reference to some type of cover-up happening prior to the reelection? >> well, certainly, they're trying to do both of those things. but in combining them, i think they're weakening any political attack they have. now what they've done is they've made what happened in benghazi a referendum on susan rice, where now when you look at the facts susan has come and explained where -- what she knew and how the statements were made. and that's been cleared up. and what's getting obscured here are the real questions about benghazi. so as
over the week, i watched lindsey graham on the sunday show. and when he compared this to iran contra which was crimes, felonies, as opposed to susan rice who has said she was given bad information she repeated it and, you know, it's -- and to compare these two, it's just really bizarre. >> joe, were there two different lanes being run here? one to maybe discredit susan rice and any potential nomination she might receive to the president's cabinet to replace secretary of state hillary...
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earlier today she met with senators john mccain, kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. this meeting with senator lieberman approximately if it started on time, it was set to start around 2:00 eastern time. we got this video in. about a 20 minute or maybe less meeting. we'll hopefully have more insight in the latest meeting centering around the investigation of the deadly attack in the consulate in benghazi. in an hour president obama meeting with mexico's president-elect at the white house to discuss border security, immigration and trade. we'll get a preview. a record powerball jackpot soars higher for tomorrow night's big drawing. we'll tell you how much it's worth now. it's a story around the "news nation" for you. check out the tumblr page. you find behind the scenes pictures. we have to update the picture, because today -- tomorrow they reveal the big tree. that scaffolding is no longer up. we'll take a new picture and have it updated for you in the break. oh, let me guess --ou see this? more washington gridlock. no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up
earlier today she met with senators john mccain, kelly ayotte and lindsey graham. this meeting with senator lieberman approximately if it started on time, it was set to start around 2:00 eastern time. we got this video in. about a 20 minute or maybe less meeting. we'll hopefully have more insight in the latest meeting centering around the investigation of the deadly attack in the consulate in benghazi. in an hour president obama meeting with mexico's president-elect at the white house to...
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it's interesting that so many senators such as john mccain and lindsey graham oppose her. policy-wise she's closer to them in terms of policy and intervention and human rights than, say, senator john kerry, for example. >> amanamanda, you referenced t press conference where the president went to bat for susan rice. let's actually take a listen to them. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who this nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on intelligence that she had received and to besmurch her reputation is outrageous. when they gt after the u.n. ambassador apparently because they think she's an easy target, then they've got a problem with me. >> so, first of all, bes is suhsh is great word. prior to that press conference i was am bif lent to secretary of state. i like john kerry and sue glan rice. after i saul the president go to bat for her and point out how outrageous these attacks on her having, i am more inclined to want to see susan rice in that position, which also leads me to the conclusion. john mccain, if his ultimate goem w
it's interesting that so many senators such as john mccain and lindsey graham oppose her. policy-wise she's closer to them in terms of policy and intervention and human rights than, say, senator john kerry, for example. >> amanamanda, you referenced t press conference where the president went to bat for susan rice. let's actually take a listen to them. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who this nothing to do with benghazi and was simply making a presentation based on...
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rice met with republican senators john mccain, lindsay graham, and kelly ayott, all had vowed to block her nomination after what she said about the deadly attack on americans on n benghazi, libya. here's what graham said moments ago when the meeting came to a close. >> if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. here's what i can tell you -- the american people got bad information on 16, september. they got bad information from president obama days after. and the question is should they have been giving the information at all. if you can do nothing but give bad information, isn't it better to give no information at all? >> ah. let's go straight to cnn's dana bash. so before we heard that pretty explosive news conference, it seemed as though there was a bit of a softening of some of the gop's opposition to ms. rice's moving up in the president's cabinet. now after hearing that, i need to get some clarity if i can from you about whether the criticism is about ms. ric
rice met with republican senators john mccain, lindsay graham, and kelly ayott, all had vowed to block her nomination after what she said about the deadly attack on americans on n benghazi, libya. here's what graham said moments ago when the meeting came to a close. >> if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. here's what i can tell you -- the american people got...
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senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get it. >> if you don't know what happened just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> that's troubling to me as well, why she wouldn't have asked, i'm the person that doesn't know anything about this, i'm going on every single show. >> joining me now for our daily fix, chris cizilla, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com and our own nbc capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. well, this was pretty tense. chris, first to you. you've seen a lot of confirmation battles. this really did seem like an escalation, a warning shot. >> maybe they come out of this and say, look, we still kind of disagree with the way this played out but the explanations that ambassador rice gave us helped us understand. instead, what we got coming out of it was, as you point out, i think, an u
senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get it. >> if you don't know what happened just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> that's troubling to me as well, why she wouldn't have asked, i'm the person that doesn't...
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i'm certain my colleague from new hampshire, and of lindsey graham. so i do believe that it's in the country's interest to give her a fair hearing and to let her explain the situation, the position that she took on benghazi. >> senator, good to have you on the program. thank you. >> nice to be with you. >> let's go back to the strategy on the part of the white house. and obviously we're in this mess because they couldn't make a deal the last time. if the president's backup strategy is, and susan, this is what the l.a. times is reporting that they have to go off the fiscal cliff, they're willing to paint the gop as villains. i'm wondering about that strategy and does it appeal to moderate americans who clearly just want something done? >> well, you know, every time we do a poll and talk to americans, they say they want a deal, want both sides to compromise, to give a little. and i wonder to what degree the white house saying they are willing to go off the fiscal cliff is a, you know, a strategy that you would have right at this point to hold the feet t
i'm certain my colleague from new hampshire, and of lindsey graham. so i do believe that it's in the country's interest to give her a fair hearing and to let her explain the situation, the position that she took on benghazi. >> senator, good to have you on the program. thank you. >> nice to be with you. >> let's go back to the strategy on the part of the white house. and obviously we're in this mess because they couldn't make a deal the last time. if the president's backup...
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what happened to terrence graham? he got sentenced. he didn't get sentenced to life without parole that was now unconstitutional. if you actually read what happened at the sentencing hearing for terrence graham, there was, again, dueling psychologists with a scrist and the state sigh kentucky scrist made the claim he was suffering from anti-personality disorder and in his view, no one recovers from anti-personality disorder and therefore he should be put away virtually for the rest of his life and the defense expert is said there has already been demonstration of his increased maturity and that i do think that he will mature out of it and the brain science supported the defense side of that. he got 25 years. that was the sentence. so even though i very much agree as a constitutional matter, we can draw those bright lines at the group level, in the end, just by necessity the law has to deal with individuals. >> would you agree that the judicial system is not really the best place for us to be determining whether or not the science behin
what happened to terrence graham? he got sentenced. he didn't get sentenced to life without parole that was now unconstitutional. if you actually read what happened at the sentencing hearing for terrence graham, there was, again, dueling psychologists with a scrist and the state sigh kentucky scrist made the claim he was suffering from anti-personality disorder and in his view, no one recovers from anti-personality disorder and therefore he should be put away virtually for the rest of his life...
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pat says mccain, graham, shut your damn mouths. quit compromising american security. >> yes. >> honey bear kelly who has the best name on twitter says -- we were saying one of the issues -- >> bill: is that honey bear kelly ayotte? >> no. not honey bear kelly ayotte. we were saying one of the issues would be if obama was to appoint john kerry then scott brown might weasel his way back into the senate. honey bear kelly says scott brown just lost an election. does anyone think he can win one now? that's a valid point. he's a loser. >> bill: what do you think of the campaign against susan rice? >> i have found it incredibly offensive. you are talking about a rhodes scholar, somebody who has 20 plus years in the diplomatic corps. also what that person tweeted. we're in the middle of major international issues. she's dealing with syria gaza, the congo. she's still our representative to the united nations. so while we're talking this foolishness about her appearance on a tv talk show, what signal is that sending to the rest of the world?
pat says mccain, graham, shut your damn mouths. quit compromising american security. >> yes. >> honey bear kelly who has the best name on twitter says -- we were saying one of the issues -- >> bill: is that honey bear kelly ayotte? >> no. not honey bear kelly ayotte. we were saying one of the issues would be if obama was to appoint john kerry then scott brown might weasel his way back into the senate. honey bear kelly says scott brown just lost an election. does anyone...
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we saw the arrival of senators mccain and graham and kelly ayotte. they say they can serious problems as she characterized the assault as spontaneous and blamed an anti-islam video for the death of four americans. >> the best assessment we have today is this was not a preplanned premeditated attack. it was a spontaneous reaction to what had transpired in cairo as a consequence of the video. >> reporter: she said she relied on the best available intelligence. they say that is simply not the case she had access to talking points and the classified information, as i heard from senator mccain that classified intelligence showing strong evidence within days of the attack, specifically by september 14th that there was no demonstration at the consulate when the attack unfolded, bill. bill: we mentioned john mccain. who else is at this meeting, catherine. >> reporter: one of the most interesting developments this morning is that in addition to rice and the senators the acting director of the cia mike mo remember, l will -lts be at th will also be at the meet
we saw the arrival of senators mccain and graham and kelly ayotte. they say they can serious problems as she characterized the assault as spontaneous and blamed an anti-islam video for the death of four americans. >> the best assessment we have today is this was not a preplanned premeditated attack. it was a spontaneous reaction to what had transpired in cairo as a consequence of the video. >> reporter: she said she relied on the best available intelligence. they say that is simply...
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the aide also questioned whether republicans, besides mccain, graham and ayotte would think this was a smart fight to pick. after all, it would be a high-profile fight with a qualified african-american woman. >> and she's not just qualified. she is supremely well qualified. she has tremendous experience. she's been enormously successful with her work at the u.n. we were able to marshal some of the most significant sanctions on iran for its pursuit of a nuclear program. she helped work together the coalition that freed the libyan people of moammar gadhafi. she has an extraordinary track record. and so go after her, to try to deny the president his choice for secretary of state, if he makes that choice, is a teshter disservice to someone with an extraordinary record, in a higher office, a great talent and simply makes no sense. i can only conclude because i appreciate the effort the u.n. ambassador had when she sat down with the senators, they had their minds made up. it was a losing purpose. it was a losing argument during the presidential campaign. it's even more of a losing argument
the aide also questioned whether republicans, besides mccain, graham and ayotte would think this was a smart fight to pick. after all, it would be a high-profile fight with a qualified african-american woman. >> and she's not just qualified. she is supremely well qualified. she has tremendous experience. she's been enormously successful with her work at the u.n. we were able to marshal some of the most significant sanctions on iran for its pursuit of a nuclear program. she helped work...
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let me salute lindsey graham. what he said about revenue in needs to be said on his side of the aisle. we put everything on the table. >> does that include raising the age for medicare eligibility? >> here's my concern about that. what happens to the early retiree who needs health insurance before that person's eligible for medicare? i had it happen in my family and i bet a lot of your viewers did, as well. we have to make sure there is seamless coverage of affordable health insurance for every american. my concern about raising that medicare retirement age is they'll be gaps in coverage or coverage that's way too expensive for seniors to purchase. >> is that a fair point, senator graham? >> not really. i don't think you can look at entitlement reform without adjusting the age for retirement like tip o'neill and ronald reagan did. it goes to 66, 67 here pretty soon for social security. let it float up another year or so over the next 30 years, adjust medicare from 65 to 67 over the next 30 years. means test, benef
let me salute lindsey graham. what he said about revenue in needs to be said on his side of the aisle. we put everything on the table. >> does that include raising the age for medicare eligibility? >> here's my concern about that. what happens to the early retiree who needs health insurance before that person's eligible for medicare? i had it happen in my family and i bet a lot of your viewers did, as well. we have to make sure there is seamless coverage of affordable health...
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senator ayotte and sflor mccain and senator graham have been about ambassador rice. she hasn't been that critical up until now. but those meetings are not over. when she emerges, when ambassador rice emerges from this meeting -- >> reporter: ashleigh i'm going to interrupt you because senator collins is here right now. >> terrific. if you could grab her for us that would be terrific. we'll find out the tenor. let's listen. >> i've just cudedn hour and 15 minutes with ambassador t remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election campaign by agreeing to go on the sunday shows to present the administration's position. in addition, it is interesting to me that ambassador rice emphasized in her presentation not that this was a terrorist attack by al qaeda affiliates but, rather, that it had begun with a protest that we nownow was nonexistent and that it was linked to a video, which we also know is not accurate. at the time ambassador
senator ayotte and sflor mccain and senator graham have been about ambassador rice. she hasn't been that critical up until now. but those meetings are not over. when she emerges, when ambassador rice emerges from this meeting -- >> reporter: ashleigh i'm going to interrupt you because senator collins is here right now. >> terrific. if you could grab her for us that would be terrific. we'll find out the tenor. let's listen. >> i've just cudedn hour and 15 minutes with...
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here was senator graham's response. i want to play that and then let's talk about it. >> guys like you are being criticized by, for instance, members much the congressional black caucus, they say that you and john mccain are sexist and racists as well for criticizing ambassador rice. >> well, when you can't answer the question, you attack the questioner. the only color i'm worried about when it comes to benghazi is red, blood red. >> you know, congresswoman, i'll tell you what strikes me is i'm a little cautious about getting into this territory in terms of, you know, citing race as part -- it may play into it, but it strikes me that the republicans are not thinking about the fact that they have just lost an election, largely based on the women's vote, african-americans and young people. here you have a ridiculously qualified woman. she is a ph.d. a rhodes scholar, they're questioning her competence, her intelligence, over a set of talking points. it does seem to be racial. there seems to be racial undertones in the cri
here was senator graham's response. i want to play that and then let's talk about it. >> guys like you are being criticized by, for instance, members much the congressional black caucus, they say that you and john mccain are sexist and racists as well for criticizing ambassador rice. >> well, when you can't answer the question, you attack the questioner. the only color i'm worried about when it comes to benghazi is red, blood red. >> you know, congresswoman, i'll tell you what...
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. >> graham is author of the book "fingerprints of the god's." >> with the myan calendar it is possible to tell exactly what the phase of the moon will be on a particular day 2,000 years from now or 2,000 years before now. >> ancient maya had calendars that ran on the cycle of the sun, moon and visible planets. why was the solstice important to the myans? >> it is very important because they kept the record of the change of the season so they can now know that the rainy season is going to begin and for the construction of the building, they only use the great amount of lay better of a slave, they don't have any tools, just the hammer and chisel. >> it was a private space. all indications it was a living space for the king. the temple of the inscripts great king who ruled for 69 years buried deep beneath it. >> this is the final resting place of the beloved myan king for nearly 70 years myan art, architecture and astonomy flourished. >> they independent ter act is turning out to be a rich field of study. >> there seems to be an ancient idea to bring down the perfections of the heavens to
. >> graham is author of the book "fingerprints of the god's." >> with the myan calendar it is possible to tell exactly what the phase of the moon will be on a particular day 2,000 years from now or 2,000 years before now. >> ancient maya had calendars that ran on the cycle of the sun, moon and visible planets. why was the solstice important to the myans? >> it is very important because they kept the record of the change of the season so they can now know that...
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graham: thank you, mr. president. long story short, the american people believe that the military prison in guantanamo bay, cuba, that's isolated from the american population, that's being well run by our military, monitored by all kinds of organization, is a satisfactory answer to the problem of terrorism. simply stated, the american people don't want to close guantanamo bay, which is an isolated military controlled facility, to bring these crazy bastards that want to kill us all to the united states. most americans believe that the people at guantanamo bay are not some kind of burglar or bank robber. they are bent on our destruction. and i stand with the american people that we're under siege. we're under attack. and we're at war. and some of my colleagues in this body have forgotten what 9/11 is all about. the people who attacked us at 9/11 -- on 9/11 in that prison want to destroy our way of life. they don't want to steal your car. they don't want to break in your house. and we've got a military prison being well
graham: thank you, mr. president. long story short, the american people believe that the military prison in guantanamo bay, cuba, that's isolated from the american population, that's being well run by our military, monitored by all kinds of organization, is a satisfactory answer to the problem of terrorism. simply stated, the american people don't want to close guantanamo bay, which is an isolated military controlled facility, to bring these crazy bastards that want to kill us all to the united...
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it just sounds personal when you hear john mccain and lindsey graham talking about it. they're not given the same tempered measured language that david just gave. they're pretty insin deair ri. that's what people are saying. there are still some questions out there. those questions are being answered. i think ambassador rice was pretty clearly speaking based on the intelligence that she had at the time. for them to come out and say she's utterly unqualified as senator mccain said, that's just politics. i think it's time to move past that. >> i want to look a little further down the road to 2016. mo, you've worked for hillary clinton. does your krystal ball tell you we're going o see new faces or might there be a clinton and a bush trying to reach the oval office? what do you think about that? >> i think my krystal ball is pretty foggy these days. but i'll say this. of course there's going to be some new faces and secretary clinton has said pretty clearly that she has no intention to run. she don't want to run. maybe that changes, i don't know. there's plenty of time for
it just sounds personal when you hear john mccain and lindsey graham talking about it. they're not given the same tempered measured language that david just gave. they're pretty insin deair ri. that's what people are saying. there are still some questions out there. those questions are being answered. i think ambassador rice was pretty clearly speaking based on the intelligence that she had at the time. for them to come out and say she's utterly unqualified as senator mccain said, that's just...
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first the lead story, three republican senators, mccain from arizona, graham from south carolina, and ayotte from new hampshire, met with u.n. ambassador susan rice today. remember ambassador rice misled the world how christopher stevens was murdered in benghazi on 9-11. the senators wanted to hear her explanation because she might be nominated as secretary of state. the meeting did not go well because the issue of initially ignoring the terrorist involvement was not explained by dr. rice. >> as i understand it, the explanation is that that was being withheld, the al-qaeda involvement was -- that point of the talking points was being withheld for classified reasons, but i also explored didn't you question that because that left, if you were to omit that portion, it leaves a very different impression to the american people and frankly, i didn't get a satisfactory answer to that. >> bill: joining us from washington to react, fox news analyst charles krauthammer. so bigger mess now than it's ever been. here is my assessment based on what happened today. i'm going to go on the record. thi
first the lead story, three republican senators, mccain from arizona, graham from south carolina, and ayotte from new hampshire, met with u.n. ambassador susan rice today. remember ambassador rice misled the world how christopher stevens was murdered in benghazi on 9-11. the senators wanted to hear her explanation because she might be nominated as secretary of state. the meeting did not go well because the issue of initially ignoring the terrorist involvement was not explained by dr. rice....
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and look, i know lindsey graham well. saxby chambliss, peter king, these are thoughtful, smart, principled leaders. and they are fiscal conservatives. they are anti-tax. i don't think a pledge should define anybody. i'm not a fan of pledges. i think you pledge to your god. i think you pledge to your constituents. you pledge to your country. the kind of representative i want going to washington is somebody that's going to act out of conviction, out of conscience, out of what his constituents want and not because they are being told to through a pledge. it's taking a lot of cowage for what saxby chambliss and lindsey graham are doing. both of these guys just earned themselves a primary as a result of these statements. and i will tell the people of georgia and of south carolina, you are very well served by those two senators. i hope they win. i hope they get re-elected. they're doing a fine job. saxby, lindsey, call me, no pledges for me. i pledge to help you. >> i think they're doing what they should do, which is their job
and look, i know lindsey graham well. saxby chambliss, peter king, these are thoughtful, smart, principled leaders. and they are fiscal conservatives. they are anti-tax. i don't think a pledge should define anybody. i'm not a fan of pledges. i think you pledge to your god. i think you pledge to your constituents. you pledge to your country. the kind of representative i want going to washington is somebody that's going to act out of conviction, out of conscience, out of what his constituents...
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you have got lindsey graham and steve king saying we understand it's a different day. megyn: this is what charles krauthammer. he says you are doing the same thing president obama is doing, making the debate about republicans and grover norquist rather than the huge deficit spending and the debt. >> here it comes down to the spending. even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not there yet. megyn: ladies, thank you so much. coming up. we want to show you what happened in this elevator that took freedom this point -- to this point. we'll debate whether the pranksters behind this are about to wind up in legal trouble. we'll show you have the tape next in "kelly's court." but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. megyn: "kelly's court" is back in session. an elevator prank meant to make people laug
you have got lindsey graham and steve king saying we understand it's a different day. megyn: this is what charles krauthammer. he says you are doing the same thing president obama is doing, making the debate about republicans and grover norquist rather than the huge deficit spending and the debt. >> here it comes down to the spending. even if the republicans go okay, forget grover norquist. the democrat, obama, they are not doing their part, point made. >> we'll see, we are not...
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but i commend saxby and lindsay graham for taking this step. i think they have -- they owe their -- i think they owe their loyalty and their allegiance to their constituents, to their country. i think they need to pledge to -- you know, like lindsey said, we're not going to go broke. it doesn't mean you don't sign a pledge or don't live up to a pledge, doesn't mean you're not against raising taxes. it just means you're not up to signing a pledge. >> but you know, we do live in the real world and you cannot imagine political ads coming out in 2014 that says something like, you know, saxby chambliss promised not to vote to raise taxes. then he did. that could happen. >> well, yeah. but here's the thing. you're talking about guys, you know, in saxby chambliss, peter king, coker, lindsey graham, who have been fiscal conservatives their entire lives. so it's very hard, i think, to make the argument. i think it's silly, also, to have this circular fire squad against good republicans who have been getting elected, and, you know, in order -- i think it
but i commend saxby and lindsay graham for taking this step. i think they have -- they owe their -- i think they owe their loyalty and their allegiance to their constituents, to their country. i think they need to pledge to -- you know, like lindsey said, we're not going to go broke. it doesn't mean you don't sign a pledge or don't live up to a pledge, doesn't mean you're not against raising taxes. it just means you're not up to signing a pledge. >> but you know, we do live in the real...
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senator graham said that he's even got more -- he's more disturbed than he was before. since we know now that the intelligence was flawed, and that they -- cia altered the talking points, the president has said he takes responsibility, secretary of state clinton has said she takes responsibility. what do you think is, is actually going on here? >> well, unfortunately, it's become entirely too personal when it comes to ambassador rice. i spoke to her last week. i was in new york and spoke to her on the phone, and we talked about the fact that she was given an intelligence report which she dutifully reported to the public as she was told. and now what i hear from some of my republican colleagues, they're not only blaming her for this intelligence report, they're trying to blame her for the actual tragic event. >> personal why? >> -- unfair. >> personal means some kind of relationship or something has gone wrong. >> we just keep focusing on ambassador rice. >> why? >> there is a larger question -- well, frankly i think they believe she's vulnerable politically. at least th
senator graham said that he's even got more -- he's more disturbed than he was before. since we know now that the intelligence was flawed, and that they -- cia altered the talking points, the president has said he takes responsibility, secretary of state clinton has said she takes responsibility. what do you think is, is actually going on here? >> well, unfortunately, it's become entirely too personal when it comes to ambassador rice. i spoke to her last week. i was in new york and spoke...
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you have senator john mccain, lindsey graham, kelly ayotte. she went to address concerns they have over statements the ambassador made over the u.s. mission in benghazi on september 11th that left ambassador chris stevens and three other americans dead. i want you to listen to what senator graham, republican south carolina, here, said immediately after the meeting ended. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think does not do justice to the reality at the time, and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. but here's the key. in real time, it was a statement disconnected from reality. >> and now here is senator ayotte. >> i want to say that i'm more troubled today, knowing -- having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice, because it's certainly clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. and clearly the impression that was given,
you have senator john mccain, lindsey graham, kelly ayotte. she went to address concerns they have over statements the ambassador made over the u.s. mission in benghazi on september 11th that left ambassador chris stevens and three other americans dead. i want you to listen to what senator graham, republican south carolina, here, said immediately after the meeting ended. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans...
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here's lindsay graham. let's listen. >> i'm more disturbed than i was before that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the real reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. here's the key -- in real time it was a statement disconnected from reality. if anybody had been looking at the threats coming out of benghazi, libya, it was jump out at you, this was -- an al qaeda storm in the making. i'm very disappointed in our intelligence community. i think they failed in many ways. but with inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield. and at the end of the day, we're going to get to the bottom of this. we have to have a system we can trust. and if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give eplanations and you can say -- explanat
here's lindsay graham. let's listen. >> i'm more disturbed than i was before that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the real reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. here's the key -- in real time it was a statement disconnected from reality. if anybody had been looking at the threats coming out of benghazi, libya, it was jump out at you, this was -- an al qaeda storm...
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move on to other serious questions. >> well, especially if -- yes, yesterday, mccain and ayotte and graham were saying we want to know why the u.s. military was unable to respond within search hours, our consulate was left so insecure. these are not questions susan rice has the answer to. luke, i want to ask about the interpersonal dynamics. susan rice is tough and as the governor said during the break she does not suffer fools badly. these were make nice meetings that didn't seem to go so well, correct? kelly ayotte known as a particular fire brand but came out with very, very strong language and said she would put a hold on susan rice's nomination. >> look, two things were surprising here. number one, a visit like this when you're actually not the nominee to be secretary of state, is a little odd. we were talking with other reporters earlier and no one can really remember these types of diplomatic visits for someone not officially nominated. after the criticism of rice softened this past weekend a lot of us expected this would be a get nice pow wow. it turned out to be awfully different,
move on to other serious questions. >> well, especially if -- yes, yesterday, mccain and ayotte and graham were saying we want to know why the u.s. military was unable to respond within search hours, our consulate was left so insecure. these are not questions susan rice has the answer to. luke, i want to ask about the interpersonal dynamics. susan rice is tough and as the governor said during the break she does not suffer fools badly. these were make nice meetings that didn't seem to go...
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it's lindsey graham and he is most likely going to attract a primary challenger. this is not without risk but it's significant. it's not only the senators. you have senator coburn and saying it won't be terrible to raise taxes on the rich. i think we are starting to see a shift. the key is, is it just reductions or will some be willing to raise tax rates on the wealthy? that is going to be the real sticking point and ed, you heard what congressman king said. he said, look, it all has to be on the table. then you have speaker boehner saying that he wants obama care on the table in the fiscal cliff negotiations in reality will that be on the table, obama care in. >> you know, this is a a genius move by republicans. they wanted to repeal obama care. they would have done it had mitt romney been elected and they can't do that. boehner has said repealing it entirely is a moot issue. but getting some concessions is probably the way to do it. in part because there are democrats who agree that changes should be made and even the president has said that it's not a perfect l
it's lindsey graham and he is most likely going to attract a primary challenger. this is not without risk but it's significant. it's not only the senators. you have senator coburn and saying it won't be terrible to raise taxes on the rich. i think we are starting to see a shift. the key is, is it just reductions or will some be willing to raise tax rates on the wealthy? that is going to be the real sticking point and ed, you heard what congressman king said. he said, look, it all has to be on...
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senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist says no on higher tax rates, but is open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i will violate the pledge long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> another lawmaker who's breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases, i'm not going to prejudge it, we should not be taking iron clad positions. >> late today in the situation room, republican kevin mccarthy, the house majority whip put a fresh spin on what seems to be the talking points. >> if the goal is to raise more revenue, what is the best way to do that? at the same time protecting the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes, and limiting them. and keeping the rate down, so you have better ground control. isn't that a better outcome. >> talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes. a big note on raising tax rates. a lot of talk, but not much real movement, at least for now. as for grover norquist. he told soledad o'brien
senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist says no on higher tax rates, but is open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i will violate the pledge long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> another lawmaker who's breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases, i'm not going to prejudge it, we should not be taking iron clad positions....
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(laughter) so susan rice met yesterday with senators mccain, graham and ayotte to clear the air. how did that go? >> ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> jon: here's the deal: they may be right. though on the scale of public misstatements, rice's comments seem to fall more for the embarrassing evidence of institutional disorganization end of the scale. (laughter) but here's the thing: these two don't get to be the ones who self-righteously get angry about this. they're upset she may have passed bad intel, wittingly or unwittingly to the american people. remember these two from a decade ago? >> saddam hussein continues to acquire, amass, and improve on his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. he continues to acquire -- attempt to acquire a nuclear weapon. these are all well-known facts. >> let's act now to get rid of
(laughter) so susan rice met yesterday with senators mccain, graham and ayotte to clear the air. how did that go? >> ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> jon: here's the deal: they may be right. though on the scale...
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>> senator graham charges that the obama administration has failed to response adding that the obama white house was keen to provide details open benghazi but it sun fair to the american people and the families of the victims of benghazi to not provide the same level of detailed facts accounting to a national failure. and fox is told that james clapper, was definite, his team did not make controversial chains to a series of talking points on the attack that critics say played down terrorism but now his office says they were responsible. >> i think clapper has to say, and has to say publicly, whether he advocated the all tube video theory, whether he pressed it on the white house and others in the intelligence community and if so, did he do that at the direction of the white house? >> democrats accuse republicans of politicizing the iarguing the talking points were made to protect classified information only and that they were not driven by any political agenda from the white house. >>trace: thank you, catherine, hive from washington, dc. a day before thanksgiving, people across storm
>> senator graham charges that the obama administration has failed to response adding that the obama white house was keen to provide details open benghazi but it sun fair to the american people and the families of the victims of benghazi to not provide the same level of detailed facts accounting to a national failure. and fox is told that james clapper, was definite, his team did not make controversial chains to a series of talking points on the attack that critics say played down...
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from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with ambassador rice. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than before. >> i'm more troubled today. >> senator mccain's embarrassing past with libya includes a meeting in tripoli in 2009 with gadhafi to discuss the possible delivery of military equipment to that dictator at his side at that meeting, as usual of course, was lindsey graham. also joining him was senator joe lieberman. today sh after meeting with ambassador rice, joe lieberman chose not to join the baseless criticism of ambassador rice. >> based on what she has said as clearly as possible, backed up by the director of the cia, i think it wouldn't be fair to disqualify her based on what she said. >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. while we certainly wish we had >> ambassador rice released this statement after meeting with the republican senators. joining me now, msnbc's karen finney and howard fineman. howard, what is your understand
from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with ambassador rice. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than before. >> i'm more troubled today. >> senator mccain's embarrassing past with libya includes a meeting in tripoli in 2009 with gadhafi to discuss the possible delivery of military equipment to that dictator at his side at that meeting, as usual of course, was lindsey...
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senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist saying no higher tax rates but open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. ilt not raise tax rates to do it and cap deductions. >> another lawmaker breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i'm imposed on tax increases. imt not going to prejudge it, and we should not take ironclad positions. >> late today in "the situation room" republican kevin mccarthy put a fresh spin on the talking points. >> if the gel oal is to raise m revenue what's the best way to do that and protect the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes and limiting them and keeping the rate down, isn't that a better outcome? >> once again, talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes, but a big note. raising tax rates, so a lot of talk but perhaps not much real movement at least for now. as for grover norquist, he told cnn's soledad o'brien today that although some republicans are discussing impure thoughts
senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist saying no higher tax rates but open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. ilt not raise tax rates to do it and cap deductions. >> another lawmaker breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i'm imposed on tax increases. imt not going to prejudge it, and we should not take ironclad positions....
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lindsey graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more loopholes. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of stabilizing our revenue stream. >> okay, but do you have frustration with grover norquist in such an absolutist definition? because if over time, it could mean you're never raising more revenue -- does it frustrate you? >> no. look, my pledge wasn't to any one individual. the pledge that i made was to my constituents, the voters in utah who elected me and found it significant that i was willing to say tax increases are not the answer. we don't have a revenue problem so much as a spending problem in washington. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time to joins us ton
lindsey graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more loopholes. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of...
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senator john mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayotte left the meeting, here's the word, troubled. let's watch. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> i'm more disturbed now than i was before. if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations, and you can say i don't want to give bad information. >> i'm more troubled today because it's certainly clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. >> well, then we go back to michael here. what i'm hearing today is ambassador rice when she went on "meet the press" in mid-september was basically handed a set of talking points which came directly from the director of national intelligence, mr. clapper, and she followed them. what did she do wrong by the likes of anybody, objective democrat or republican or just hater? what can you say she did wrong if she took the talki
senator john mccain, lindsey graham and senator ayotte left the meeting, here's the word, troubled. let's watch. >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate. >> i'm more disturbed now than i was before. if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations, and you can say i don't want to...
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>> well, one of the things that senator graham said today was that he wants more of the investigation -- the information to come out. the fbi agents who had interviewed survivors of the attack. and he wants to know more information before he says he would be willing to elevate somebody who was involved in any part of this controversy. i do think that susan rice is not really the one that i am personally most concerned about. just as a. >> reporter: trying to find out the truth. the state department itself and susan rice is part of it but not really involved in deciding why they didn't get adequate security who did what in terms of trying to help the people who were pinned down. that seems to be more of a c.i.a. question. those are the people i really want to find out more about. >> eliot: i think that's exactly right. there are a myriad of legitimate questions that should be asked about the information through the decision making but it seems to me susan rice is the least informed, least interesting party here and that's why trying to take her hostage in effect at a moment where she m
>> well, one of the things that senator graham said today was that he wants more of the investigation -- the information to come out. the fbi agents who had interviewed survivors of the attack. and he wants to know more information before he says he would be willing to elevate somebody who was involved in any part of this controversy. i do think that susan rice is not really the one that i am personally most concerned about. just as a. >> reporter: trying to find out the truth. the...
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you've got lindsey graham trying to say something happened in this meeting to make the situation worse. what could that have been? >> well, from talking to a top official in the white house and to senator mccain, behind closed doors, the meeting wasn't as contentious as those statements after ward made it sound. at least as regard to ambassador rice. i think both sides agree that there are legitimate questions to be asked about the timeline of what happened in benghazi. about the state of knowledge at the time, about security protections and so forth, but as far as holding ambassador rice personally accountable for the incomplete and in some cases wrong story she gave on five different shows that sunday, i don't think that behind closed doors the republican senators were going after her personally. they came out afterwards and made it sound like the grave matter it was involving her. i don't think that's where they're at behind closed doors. >> let's listen to president obama on november 14th. about the senator's attacks on ambassador rice. >> when they go after the u.n. ambassador, ap
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all of this is occurring in the context of the fiscal cliff negotiations and what lindsey graham was suggesting was that if you close some of the loopholes and deductions and revenue goes up, that's not raising taxes apparently grover norquist sees it differently but interestingly enough, there is a push then from the left as well and there are unions that have taken out ads to pressure democratic senators not to compromise. >> how do we move our country forward and reduce the deficit? by creating jobs and growing our economy. not by cutting programs that families rely on most. we need senators udall to continue to stand up for us. >> jennifer: do you think that democrats are going to feel as pressured by the unions as republicans feel pressured by grover norquist? >> organized labor is the best organized, most effective strongest arm on the left in this country. they are a great ally for the democratic party and so, of course the democrats will feel pressure from labor. they are also going to feel pressure from -- >> jennifer: are they going to compromise? >> we'll find out. the dem
all of this is occurring in the context of the fiscal cliff negotiations and what lindsey graham was suggesting was that if you close some of the loopholes and deductions and revenue goes up, that's not raising taxes apparently grover norquist sees it differently but interestingly enough, there is a push then from the left as well and there are unions that have taken out ads to pressure democratic senators not to compromise. >> how do we move our country forward and reduce the deficit? by...
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sorry, lindsay graham. yeah. you missed the lindsay graham joke. it was a pretty good one. ( laughter ). perhaps the best news was in florida. after months of republican governor rick scott attempting to suppress democratic voter turnout, and attempting to decrease voter discomfort and my favorite introducing a 10-page novelette state ballot to people who couldn't handle a ( bleep ) one-page ballot. florida remains too close to call. what is the good news, you say? the election was decide without them. ( applause ) ( cheers ) for once, florida's cluster ( bleep ) is irrelevant. it's like hearing good news, america. the tumor on your dong is benign. ( laughter ). it's a joke about... come on. we're tired! for the most part, the news naeks acquitted themselves nicely with little of the early called controversy and malfunctions of years past, except b.m.n., bull ( bleep ) mountain news, who were caught flat foot bide a historic storm did spite all the evidence just days before, they never saw coming. >> i think mitt romney is going to win the election
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. >> on sunday south carolina senator lindsey graham also broke ranks saying the norquist pledge can no longer be a conservative litmus test. >> when you're $16 trillion in it debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if it democrats will do entitlement reform. >> but a bipartisan consensus to raise taxes grows, republicans insist they won't budge on kaepg the bush tax rates for the wealthiest at 33% and 35%. they've expressed more openness to raising revenue by eliminating individual loopholes and deductions in the tax code and believe they have public opinion on their side. boehner aides point to a new republican poll. in the survey 61% say they prefer a deal that raises revenue by reforming the tax code, lowering rates and closing loopholes. just 28% favor raising rates on those making over $250,000 a year. shocking nobody wants to raise taxes. in national exit polls, a full 60% supported raising tax rates on americans making over $250,000 a year. it's all a
. >> on sunday south carolina senator lindsey graham also broke ranks saying the norquist pledge can no longer be a conservative litmus test. >> when you're $16 trillion in it debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if it democrats will do entitlement reform. >> but a bipartisan consensus to raise taxes grows, republicans insist they won't budge on...
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lindsey graham has often aligned with john mccain on these issues. unless, frankly, we start to hear more republican voices on the senate side coming out against susan rice than we have heard, i do not see this as being a fatal problem for her. host: "the baltimore sun" notes the republican senators would need five republican votes to stop a filibuster of a new nomination. north carolina. go ahead. caller: my problem with all of this is it seems like they are trying to get to something else, and they are just weaseling to get to something else. host: what do you think they are trying to get to? caller: if she went out there with the information that was given to her, and john mccain test not have the common sense to know that -- does not have the common sense to know that it was not her information but the information given to her, i would want to talk to the person that gave her the information. i would want to talk to the people that gave her the information. host: is that going to happen, michael hirsch? guest: that is going to be part of the inve
lindsey graham has often aligned with john mccain on these issues. unless, frankly, we start to hear more republican voices on the senate side coming out against susan rice than we have heard, i do not see this as being a fatal problem for her. host: "the baltimore sun" notes the republican senators would need five republican votes to stop a filibuster of a new nomination. north carolina. go ahead. caller: my problem with all of this is it seems like they are trying to get to...